Parts for sunroof mechanism

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taavipa
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Parts for sunroof mechanism

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I realized today I'm missing three sets of pieces for the sunroof mechanism. Either that or they are on that parts diagram by accident and aren't really used. The car I removed this mechanism from didn't have them installed (anymore?).
I went through some posts about sunroofs here and elsewhere but didn't catch these parts on any of the photos. Though, a lot of the pictures were gone or in photobucket.

These would be the parts in question:
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28 - a spring. Where would it be installed and what's the purpose?

29 - a rubber buffer. Same questions. Only fitting place I found for it was this hole in the gate
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32 - a plastic spacer? This would be the only one of the three that's NLA so I hope I could do without it. Or should I figure out a replacement? Maybe some plastic washers?
taavipa
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Re: Parts for sunroof mechanism

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Found the spring here
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Edit: is it supposed to lift the rear section of the cover when sunroof tilts?
Ordnator
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Re: Parts for sunroof mechanism

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The spring is used on cars built up to January 1985, part number 54.12.1.917.722, and looks to be still available from the main dealers.

Cars built after January, 1985 the spring is greyed out indicating that it is no longer fitted / used.

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Mick
taavipa
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Re: Parts for sunroof mechanism

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Ordnator wrote: Nov 17, 2020 11:37 PM The spring is used on cars built up to January 1985, part number 54.12.1.917.722, and looks to be still available from the main dealers.

Cars built after January, 1985 the spring is greyed out indicating that it is no longer fitted / used.
Indeed, looks like they changed the whole mechanism in 85.

Did some more digging - there's at least three versions of that mechanism:
  • up to 12/82
    Photo of the mechanism at the end of cable from a 81 euro 525i:
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    While this cable part is similar to the one from next iteration, other parts of the mechanism are quite different. Also notable that the sunroof panel itself is different (shares it with E12).
    Realoem lists the springs for this mechanism, my car didn't have the springs.
  • from 12/82 to 01/85
    Photo of the mechanism at the end of cable from a 83 euro 528i:
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    Realoem lists the springs for this, my car didn't have springs.
  • from 01/85 onward
    Photos here: https://www.turnermotorsport.com/p-1336 ... -bmw-part/
    According to realoem springs are not used with this one.

Realoem data is in accordance with BMW parts catalogue available from https://bmw-grouparchiv.de (AW-790-10)

Then I remembered there was a Saab moonroof conversion instruction pdf going around
http://e28-535i.com/upload/saab_moonroo ... _rev_b.pdf

From the photos I'd say this guy had the mechanism 'from 12/82 to 01/85'. He didn't have the spring before but installed them with the moonroof.
The helper springs are used on the BMW moonroofs but not found on the Saab assemblies. Are they necessary? No. Do they help? Don’t know.
For those using the springs (see “OPTIONAL PIECES”), this is how they attach.(The best I can figure, the springs help “flip-up” the roof panel into “rear-vent” position, but Saab didn’t use them...I guess it’s more of a German-Engineering thing...)
Here’s another close-up of the springs. It seems they were used prior to 1984.(Orwell directive??)

The photo I added to the last post was from a "Repair manual no 4. BMW 524td - 535i U.S. 11/85". The spring is only mentioned and visible under the section "Converting sun roof lid from steel to glass version". Then again some of the photos there clearly picture very early sunroof parts while the date on the document is 11/85...

I haven't noticed the springs on any of the photos I found online. Is it possible that these were only used for moonroof? Has anyone seen these springs installed with a metal sunroof on an up to 01/85 built date car?
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