Winter/All Season tires 2020-2021

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Notaweekend
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Winter/All Season tires 2020-2021

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Cold weather season is upon us and we've had many discussions about tire sizes, brands, etc, but with the winter approaching I'm wondering what any of the daily driver guys here are considering for tires this time. As in brand and model

I personally have 'summer' tires from continental equipped and I'm thinking about investing in a nice pair of All season tires rather than winter tires. Maybe Michelin this time?

what are you guys thinking?
I'm sure most people are thinking about just parking the thing in the garage but this is my only car currently lol & I enjoy driving in it just want to be safe :cool: .
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I’ve been running the Continental DWS series on my car with 16x7.5 RGs for several years now and love them. Handle great...pretty much the same in both dry and wet. We don’t get snow here in the SF Bay Area, but they get good reviews as a all-season in snow.
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I don't think there is much to add to the threads the last couple years. The two year round snow tires (i.e. not dedicated snow tires) are The Conti DWS and the Nokian WRG/4. My wife runs the Nokian on her DD. Once we couldn't get them and we ran a set of Conti's. She preferred the Nokian for Denver weather. She thought (and I may have this backwards) the Nokian did better in snow and the Conti did better on ice.
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I love modern snow tires in the winter. Anything less isn’t worth it. I used General Altimax, but they are on close out on tire rack. If not available, then I would try the Cooper Evolution. I used some Cooper snows on my 2wd Yukon and they were also very good.
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Nokian is pretty much the best at snow tires. If you want them to be good on ice, they want you to use studs, and they have options for that.

I've got some general all season something or another on my daily driver and they're black, round and I don't have any complaints. Not enough ultimate grip, but the suspension on that car kinda sucks.
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I have five BMWs, including an E28, on Continental DWS and DW tires. My second set on one of those cars. Replaced Michelin on my E39. It's unusual for me to find a tire I like that much to replace it with the same, or the style is discontinued by the time I need them. I stopped running winter tires a few years back after a year of 30-inches of snow on the ground and haven't had that severe weather since. Still have the mounted winters but haven't needed them.

My DWS on the E28 are on E39 7x16 BBS wheels with hub-centric rings. A perfect fit.
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If your snow tires are old, they won't be as good. They're not as good at half tread depth for obvious reasons, but the main issue is that the rubber gets harder with age, and the main benefit is the compound is supposed to remain soft at low temps. Climate change has mostly negated the need for snows for me too :(

Also, I've never liked DWSs regardless of the conditions, but DWs are Godlike in the wet. Haven't tried their replacement yet, but they're not really made for this thread.
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Nokian Hakkapelitta R3 for the win.

Don't expect a whole lot of tread life (soft compound), but highly effective.
I sourced thru Discount Tire--special order item, took about 10 days to arrive.
Not exactly inexpensive, but they definitely Get The Job Done on Colo's mountain roads. :up:
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Notaweekend wrote: Oct 11, 2020 12:24 PM I personally have 'summer' tires from continental equipped and I'm thinking about investing in a nice pair of All season tires rather than winter tires.
"All Season" tires are 3 season tires, they are not designed for snow in any way, shape, or form. Basically they are summer tires that are little less sticky and can be used reliably in cold temperatures. You will find summer tires say something like "do not use below 42F" - they get quite hard in the cold...and drift very nicely in < 40F temperatures.
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Ken H. wrote: Oct 12, 2020 2:45 PM Nokian Hakkapelitta R3 for the win.

Don't expect a whole lot of tread life (soft compound), but highly effective.
I sourced thru Discount Tire--special order item, took about 10 days to arrive.
Not exactly inexpensive, but they definitely Get The Job Done on Colo's mountain roads. :up:
What he said.
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I am a newbie at this...but I believe what you want to do is look for a tire that has the severe snow service rating (symbol of a 3 peaked mountain with a snowflake). This means the tire is rated for snowy/slippery roads and low temperatures and the rubber remains pliable.

I did research for my truck tires and found out all-terrain tires do not mean winter tires. Here it is important because AWD/4wd cars and trucks with severe snow rated tires do not have to wear chains under many snowy conditions (at least around here) compared to similar vehicles with all season or all terrain tires. Authorities LOOK for that symbol when there are chain controls.

In my case, I bought Yokohama Geolander AT G015 tires which are snow rated and usable year round, compared to the Bridgestone Dueler Revo 3 which is not snow rated.

Severe snow rated tires for cars seem to have a much shorter lifespan than most truck versions.
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Notaweekend wrote: Oct 11, 2020 12:24 PM Cold weather season is upon us and we've had many discussions about tire sizes, brands, etc, but with the winter approaching I'm wondering what any of the daily driver guys here are considering for tires this time. As in brand and model

I personally have 'summer' tires from continental equipped and I'm thinking about investing in a nice pair of All season tires rather than winter tires. Maybe Michelin this time?

what are you guys thinking?
I'm sure most people are thinking about just parking the thing in the garage but this is my only car currently lol & I enjoy driving in it just want to be safe :cool: .
Well, if you are in NYC as your profile suggests, it all depends on how difficult of a winter we have. Personally, my E28 is rust-free, and I wish to keep it that way (my previous two E28s rusted away) and I only use it in the winter here in NYC when there is absolutely no salt on the roads. That has been a total crap shoot in the past decade. I used to ice race the car on studded Hakkas in a lake in New Hampshire, but climate change has ensured we haven't run since 2014. Since I can no longer find 3-season tires in 205/60-15, I am on all-seasons. If I got caught in snow on summer tires, I'd be in big trouble. But if I got caught in snow with the all-seasons, I can manage. But if you have an E28 you plan to use in winter and don't care about salt, then get 4 Hakkas and you'll be grinning all winter long while everyone else is white-knuckled in the snow...
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"I’ve been running the Continental DWS series on my car with 16x7.5 RGs for several years now and love them. Handle great...pretty much the same in both dry and wet. We don’t get snow here in the SF Bay Area, but they get good reviews as a all-season in snow."
Yup, Continental DWS tires are a gift from above, if you ask me. I've been using them for years and they exceeded my expectations. If ever you're looking for spares, feel free to check out 4WheelOnline. I get my spare DWS tires from them, all for a very affordable price.
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cek wrote: Oct 13, 2020 10:42 PM
Ken H. wrote: Oct 12, 2020 2:45 PM Nokian Hakkapelitta R3 for the win.

Don't expect a whole lot of tread life (soft compound), but highly effective.
I sourced thru Discount Tire--special order item, took about 10 days to arrive.
Not exactly inexpensive, but they definitely Get The Job Done on Colo's mountain roads. :up:
What he said.
x3.

I run the R2 model in a 255/35/19 on my E63s AMG wagon and it does a great job in the winter other than ground clearance.
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