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Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Jul 28, 2022 12:00 PM
by gray635
I just stumbled up on this ad for a VSR-restored M5. Anyone know this car? Looks pretty nice and not ridiculously priced, if as advertised. N/A, obviously.

https://www.issimi.com/collections/buy/ ... 8-bmw-m5-1

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Jul 29, 2022 12:44 AM
by Mdreamer
W O W ! ! !

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 02, 2022 7:58 PM
by ahab
Meh. $82k grand seems quite a reach for a tarted up 165k mile car. Stunningly restored? Ahem...melted front grille, ZHP shift knob, messed up tool kit, missing tailpipe extenders, no engine numbers. Couldn't even bother to put the correct engine info for an NA car in the ad. Car looks nice and some money was surely dropped on redoing the seats and dash, and the OUTSIDE of the engine bay stuff certainly looks purty but more details about what's going on there are sorely missing, and that other nonsense has no business on an $82k ask. Thumbnail pics of "Signs Of Damage" under the car? Say no more, squire, say no more!

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 02, 2022 8:50 PM
by milarsky
ahab wrote: Aug 02, 2022 7:58 PM Meh. $82k grand seems quite a reach for a tarted up 165k mile car. Stunningly restored? Ahem...melted front grille, ZHP shift knob, messed up tool kit, missing tailpipe extenders, no engine numbers. Couldn't even bother to put the correct engine info for an NA car in the ad. Car looks nice and some money was surely dropped on redoing the seats and dash, and the OUTSIDE of the engine bay stuff certainly looks purty but more details about what's going on there are sorely missing, and that other nonsense has no business on an $82k ask. Thumbnail pics of "Signs Of Damage" under the car? Say no more, squire, say no more!
THIS!

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 02, 2022 9:23 PM
by Mdreamer
I do not disagree with your take, ahab, but that car sure is a looker!

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 02, 2022 9:57 PM
by gray635
Ahad makes some very valid points. The engine bay and trunk (look at the compounding residue in the jack storage area) are surprisingly shabby and the "PPI" (in quotes, since the selling dealer is hardly unbiased) reveals some primarily cosmetic needs. Not the least of which are all the window seals and less than perfect rubber on the M-Tech rear spoiler. And front end shimmy in the classic e28/e24 style. Strange all this didn't get sorted during the VSR restoration. One would think Mario would have done better than this, given the work was supposedly completed in 2019-20. No invoice to support any of this on the F/S listing.

But this does appear to be a pretty good start, with most of the heavy lifting completed. Outside of EAG, it is getting extremely difficult to find e28 M5s in decent condition. Much less with a euro bumper conversion.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 03, 2022 1:32 PM
by garageboy
I really don't think this qualifies as a "really good start".

If the owner has polished a turd, so that those who are not expert in these cars miss all the things ahab pointed out, then a sucker with $82k will be found.

I hate ads that are trying to fool me. It tells me something about the seller, which is usually: no way will I do business with such a person.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 03, 2022 2:38 PM
by ahab
In fairness, Mike said a "pretty" good start. However, the rest of what you said is spot on. The seller should have put as much effort into correcting the low hanging fruit items and posting actual specifics on the health of the engine as they did into creating a "dream ad" designed to obfuscate some of the more important details and fool a prospective buyer into thinking this car was the real deal. It's more expensive than pretty much every other one, it has to be worth it.

If you want a good laugh, google the VIN. I guess when they didn't get the $99k previously asked, they figured dumping money into a better ad was a more logical way to increase the car's value. It was a $27k FL car 5 years ago and it looks like it went to NJ from there, where it got the ZHP knob, a coolant tank and a billy boat, but there is no record of that sale price. So for $55k more than it sold for on BaT you lose the billy boat but you do get some bumpers and a melted grill which don't even belong on the car, a Just Dashes dash, and a "less-hokey" gear shift knob. Oh, and the coolant tank. And I hope those aren't they same "high quality leatherette seats" that were put in a few years back. Given the way the rest of the cars provenance is presented, my guess is that they probably are... No comment on the VSR involvement.

Granted, they are getting harder to find but statements like this do not usually appears in ads for actual $82k M5s either.

"The driver’s front door and fender were replaced prior to the paintwork due to rust issues".

I'm not trying to beat up on the OP, I too just get incensed when I see this type of dumbfuckery in advertising.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 03, 2022 3:44 PM
by garageboy
I sit corrected. "Pretty good start". Sorry about that. I, too, do not wish to disparage OP either. Another "no comment" on VSR.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 04, 2022 4:09 PM
by reesesboot
Looks pretty nice, but this is not a full restoration that could warrant the asking price. Just look under the car. They didn't even weld in a euro tail panel during the conversion. I believe they are NLA, but something surely could have been done or soured if they're spending so much money and asking for even more. Not to mention the old rubber all around. Car is worth half (or less) of what they're asking.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 05, 2022 1:03 AM
by Grande Royal
Euro’d N.A. M5’s = sad. Leave them unmolested in all their diving board glory! Just my .02 ;)

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 05, 2022 1:35 PM
by jhh925
ahab wrote: Aug 02, 2022 7:58 PM Meh. $82k grand seems quite a reach for a tarted up 165k mile car. Stunningly restored? Ahem...melted front grille, ZHP shift knob, messed up tool kit, missing tailpipe extenders, no engine numbers. Couldn't even bother to put the correct engine info for an NA car in the ad. Car looks nice and some money was surely dropped on redoing the seats and dash, and the OUTSIDE of the engine bay stuff certainly looks purty but more details about what's going on there are sorely missing, and that other nonsense has no business on an $82k ask. Thumbnail pics of "Signs Of Damage" under the car? Say no more, squire, say no more!
Not looking to pile on, but a few things I see: With the euro bumper conversion, they retained the US rear valance (odd choice if you're spending that kind of coin), the amount and texture of the orange peel on the leading edge of the hood tells me the repaint isn't that great, orange peel on the trunk lid under the spoiler is even worse, right front door is hung poorly, front bumper is sittling wonky, way wrong breather hose from valve cover to ITBs, sensor bracket that should be mounted to the cowl cover in the engine bay is missing and something seems to have been done with the sensor wiring/connectors (maybe I missed some info about engine management changes?), the oil fill cap is wrong?, the diagnostic plug is missing its cap and the mounting bridge isn't even connectected to the AFM -- ah, I see now, fuel management upgraded to "Maxx Alpha N" -- fair enough, but that should mean that you'd want to integrate the new parts into the existing structure better: put a bracket on the air pipe to mount the diagnostic plug mounting bridge, fab a new mounting bracket for the cowl wall to act as a wiring loom so that you can route the wiring in the same spot as is traditional.

Given the respray, and depending on what the new owner's goals are, I'm not sure this is a great starting point. It's hard, time-consuming & expensive to correct bad paint jobs. And if I were that new owner, I'd want to dig into the euro bumper conversion pretty hard. But that's just me.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 10, 2022 3:37 PM
by RMP
I"m a purist as far as the original M5 goes, but what an inspection and with pictures! Too tired for me, and those speaker grills from and back are just the wrong color - how do you lose the original ones. The inspection check lights remaining on, too much.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 10, 2022 6:39 PM
by Ibmotoren
Oh no, they’re not asking $82k, they’re asking $89k. The $82 is what they are claiming to have spent on this restoration…
“having been extensively restored at a cost of nearly $82,000 in 2019-2020.”
If we are to believe that, I hope for their sake they purchased it for about $0.

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 10, 2022 8:07 PM
by mulloyd
Tough crowd on this board. Would love to see what all the critics are driving on a daily basis, must be amazing cars!

Re: Restored M5 F/S

Posted: Aug 14, 2022 2:04 PM
by jhh925
mulloyd wrote: Aug 10, 2022 8:07 PM Tough crowd on this board. Would love to see what all the critics are driving on a daily basis, must be amazing cars!
Oh, hell no! I put euro stuff on my US car. I have enuf pitchfork scars.